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1001 ppi lcd displays, so will this enable a wider fov with the shown (larger than vive pro ) lens without the hammer head look
vive pro and samsunng odyssey have 615 ppi,
Looks like a wider fov with much improved resolution compared to what is now available
Valves lens are 120fov ( horizontal ??) which is about same as 135 diagonal
Always the problem. It can be an endless game of waiting whatâs on the horizon. Sometimes it pays off to wait on a certain generation, sometimes you just take the plunge. I did this with graphics cards upgrading from 770 to 1070, totally glad I waited and skipped the 9 series (good cards), but the 10 series just had that greater jump. I was very close to getting a 980ti, but heard of the newer cards coming in a few months.
Waiting for VR HMDâs though, nobody really knows of release dates. Just get a good deal on your chosen headset to keep you going for a while.
Indeed & when a major change like ddr6 mem comes into play often good to wait 6months to see if it takes without fallout. Atm it seems tge ddr6 might be related to card failures. Should have just went hbm. Especially at tge price point.
Emagin does have a 2k x 2k, but they their latest is a 4k x 4k display and it is roughly a couple inches, so still far from a cell phone size. here is part of their Q1 transcript, CEO Andrew Sculley,
"Yes. This would be â what weâre working on is like a 4Kx4K. I canât give you the exact numbers because we donât witness anyone divulge that. But itâs the design that when we go to companies and talk to them, this is the type of display they want for VR or mixed reality, and so we are designing that display with this one company thatâs funding this design. "
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4173299-emagins-eman-ceo-andrew-sculley-q1-2018-results-earnings-call-transcript?part=single
Interesting!
Andrew Sculley
Well, the one has talked to us for a while, and now is coming to the point. This is not the one that weâve been talking to for a while and told you about. The other ones, thereâs 2, the one came to us, but through another partner. So another partner put some pressure on and said, âPlease donât talk to them.â And they are â theyâre very interested. So the terms that we take should be the best for you, the shareholder, and thatâs what weâre looking at. Weâre looking at can we broaden our â can we broaden what it is weâre doing, so that we become a larger part of the market more quickly. So thatâs what weâre looking at. And thereâs one other one that has now made it a plausible path forward in terms of what theyâre â what theyâve talked to us about, and I apologize that I canât tell you what these things are.
Dennis Van Zelfden
Well, thatâs fine. Iâm just â it seems like the original one that youâve been talking to them for, I donât know, maybe a year or so. Iâm just wondering if youâre just starting with the new partner, potential new partners, are we looking at another year delay or?
Andrew Sculley
Well, no, I wouldnât say that at all because the real thing you have to look at is the market. Now as you know, weâre coming out with a new display at the end of this year and thatâs the thing or the beginning of next, and thatâs the thing that weâve got a target. That new display will be something that no one else is built.
It will have the pixel density thatâs needed. Itâs designed for the optics that this company is building, and it will have the brightness thatâs needed for the VR. It also has other things in it that I canât mention, so I apologize, that are â what is really needed for the VR market. And one of the things I can mention a 120 hertz, of course, in terms of speed. But many other things to make this work very well. So I think thatâs what is needed, and so now itâs not going to take another year to get there because now we have some competition here.
Dennis Van Zelfden
Okay. Well, I guess it kind of follows into my next question. My last question is that, given some sort of a delay here, months maybe, and given the long lead times than any, whoever you end up going with, given the long lead times of the ramp-up and stuff, what â does that delay due to a Tier 1âs plans to roll out a product. I donât know in the 2020 time frame. And does that impact all that?
Andrew Sculley
Well, in the 2020 time frame, to put in an OLED line, weâve said in the past that 18 months. So weâre not impacting it yet, the ramp of the product will be reasonable on the side of the consumer company, right. It wonât start at millions per month, but will grow to that. And 2020 is the year we have to hit.
Dennis Van Zelfden
Okay. Well, I guess, my last question is that Iâm sure the Tier 1 that youâre working with knows all of this about what youâre doing in terms of negotiating with these many manufacturers? Are they saying come on eMagin, pick somebody because we donât want to be delayed, if we decide to go ahead with the product.
This hmd will matter or not for @PimaxVR depending if they can fix performance on the 8k and 5k+. With smooth rendering Valve has a huge advantage if they want to release a high spec hmd, but on similar performance terms Pimax will do fine, they will still win on resolution, higher fov and whatever LH 2.0 device they release, it should be compatible with it.
Now if Pimax canât get smooth rendering, brain warp, etc. working and we still need raw force to make rendering work, the new HMD will destroy Pimax since simply the market for people with 1080ti/2080ti is really small and even average games tax it heavily, also Valve HMD would be able to SS a lot higher than Pimax so it would end looking better.
Itâs still a good thing for us, though, since this will make Pimax not to rest comfortably on their technically superior features, but now they really have to up their software and tools if they want to compete on the higher end of the VR market.
Then where is HL3? Where are the Knuckles controllers? How long did it take them to get a production ASW Equivalent out? (2+ years) What about their production debacle on the Valve Steam Machines??
Juicy find. And developers are starting to show off Knuckles EV3 suddenly so maybe some NDA has just been lifted too.
Interesting find, but itâs a bit older, a conference call from May this year. They havenât talked about this in their latest conference (last week) so Iâm not sure if theyâre still planning on this âŚ
Then again, on their website they still say âcoming soonâ about their OLED 2kx2k display (RGB stripe!) : http://emagin.com/products/
From your post itâs the 4k x 4k panel they want to develop right? One things for sure it seems the big players are actively seeking out the ultimate display. I just hope Vale follow the console idea and put out a great headset at cost
Steam Machines are 3rdparty endorsed. There out there & the SteamOS is still being developed but at present better performance on other linux distros with installing the steam runtime & recent development intoa specialized Wine is bringin a ton of games including vr into linux.
Anyone can make & sell steam machines. But SteamOS itself is a debian flavor dum down for a more console users.
HL3? Well thatâs been the grail for a long time much to our mutual disapointment.
But at least we have what started out a community updated HL game Black Mesa.
Knuckles? Well Valve needs time as the last review we had here in the forums was not overly positive but okay. Now where is LGâs Ultragear or did they abandon it?
Check forum here awhile ago a dev posted a review on them.
One of the doubts is that I donât think they can offer a large FOV with a small square panel, so my best bet is that itâs total custom panel but based on other panels technologies
Yes they discus that. A custom made panel to match the clients large FOV optic system with 120hz and many other features
A recent conversation I had with a friend sounds like Valveâs new headset might not be for consumers. But time will tell.
Hmmm⌠Your post on this might reinforce the idea of non consumer. 
Itâs Just my personal view but I donât see Valve willing to go with all the troubles of the consumer market for this product. Maybe a great reference design that HTC can copy 
and Valve obtaining royalties by the band
Why is that? Itâs Steam. They designed the Vive. It will be bundled with knuckles and half life. I would be surprised if they went that high in resolution but maybe they have more than one model under development?
True keep in mind as well Valve did offer awhile back Hmd Dev kits. So this may also be to help push these out to get more of a Wmr type push as well.
Anything is possible with Valve. Remember they opened up their tracking system but made it so you need to buy LH kits & rebrand them.
The real question what happened to Valveâs last sponsored hmd from lg ultragear?